{"content":{"sharePage":{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"37751310","dateCreated":"1302892057","smartDate":"Apr 15, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"crystalgremillion","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/crystalgremillion","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/klam-emeralds.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/37751310"},"dateDigested":1532763042,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"O'Connor","description":"Now that you have read about the 7 perspectives, which perspective(s) do you agree with and why? Which perspective(s) do you disagree with and why?","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"37814966","body":"I don't agree with the perspective that grading is not essential to learning of the material. Though it might not be theoretically important; realistically, learning needs grading. Grading serves as a force to make students learn. When grades are envolved, students feel obliged to learn the material. When grades are not given, students are less likely to learn unless they have a particular interest in the subject matter.
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\nI agree that there is no ideal grading scale. All teachers teach at different levels and teach a variety of different topics. The grading scales shift from teacher to teacher and from topic to topic. A 100 for completion in an easy art class would not be equal to a 100 correctness in a difficult science or math class.","dateCreated":"1303100000","smartDate":"Apr 17, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"HalaSiddiqui","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/HalaSiddiqui","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"37816176","body":"I do not agree with the perspective that states grading is not essential to learning. The counter example it gives is for extracurricular activities or interest groups. That is the extreme where students are motivated out of pure interest. There are many students who do not like math, and if it weren't for grades, those students would likely have no motivation to learn. Also, I feel that students who wish to achieve high grades will learn as a result of those grades. Of course, there is no perfect system for grading, but that is no reason to completely obliterate the grading system.
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\nI agree with the perspective that states faulty grading damages students and teachers. This perspective argues that teachers should use grades as tools that motivate learning and student success rather than give teachers control. This is true because students (and parents) believe grades are more important than learning; it is more important to receive an A than to master the subject. I believe one solution to this problem is to weight tests and scores on a case-by-case basis. If a student makes D's on the first 2\/5 tests,and A's and B's on the rest. The final scores reflect that in the end, the student learned the material. This should be more valuable than the 40% D stuck with the student.","dateCreated":"1303105321","smartDate":"Apr 17, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"Caseyb.crittenden","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Caseyb.crittenden","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1296425910\/Caseyb.crittenden-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"37820934","body":"I agree with the fourth perspective that grading is inescapable because Grading has been used for a very long time it has become comfortable way for most of the parents and students and also teachers to measure the performance of the student. therefore to use grading effectively the grades must be made meaningful.
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\nI do not agree with the first perspective that grading is not essential. Grading can be used to enhance learning. Grades not only judges a student understanding but also the effectiveness of the teachers teaching. Hence grading is essential. The examples given are group of students working out of interest that is not the case in other classes. so grades can be used to motivate the students to work hard on the subjects that do not interest the students.","dateCreated":"1303129568","smartDate":"Apr 18, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"Ebbybaby","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Ebbybaby","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"37822360","body":"One perspective I definitely agree with is the Perspective theat grading is subjective and emotional. When grading papers in step 2, I noticed that on almost every question I had a hard time reading an answer and deciding whether to give credit or not. Grading is complicated because you have to decide what the line will be between the right answer and the wrong one. Also is can be emotional because you get close to your students. It might be hard to give a student a bad grade when you know that they are trying hard.
\nThe only perspective that I really disagree with would be the first that states grading is not essential for learning. In order to know what is on your students minds and be able to judge what they know, grades have to be given. The teacher can always change the importance of the grade, and what the grade means. Grading in this way is like a formative assessment and is there to help the student because they can't always tell you what they know and don't understand.","dateCreated":"1303132267","smartDate":"Apr 18, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"admiller2","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/admiller2","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"37825164","body":"I completely agree with the perspective that grading is subjective and emotional. Though grading has hard numerical scores that seems to be objective, but they are indeed very subjective. It depends on what type of assessment that the teacher decided to use. Some might perform better when it comes to personal communication type of tests. For that reason, grading is very subjective. Also, teachers try to be neutral about grading, but there's always bias.
\nI disagree on the perspective that grading has a limited research base. As one one the point the article points out to support this view this that teachers often ignore experts' advices for grading. if they want to conduct a research tell the teachers to follow the guidelines. Therefore, the argument is weak and not convincing enough.","dateCreated":"1303135215","smartDate":"Apr 18, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"TuyenN","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/TuyenN","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"37915072","body":"Amanda,
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\nI agree that grading is subjective and emotional. Sadly, it will always be emotional for some people. As teachers, it will be hard to give "good" students poor grades, but that grade can be less of an evaluation, more of a tool for learning. Also, the subjective side of grading can at times be avoided (and I'm sure will be when we become used to teaching) by knowing the content and grading format well enough to where we will become better judges for partial credit.","dateCreated":"1303260934","smartDate":"Apr 19, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"Caseyb.crittenden","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Caseyb.crittenden","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1296425910\/Caseyb.crittenden-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"37932722","body":"Hala, and others, It seems like some of us have the same thoughts when it comes to the statement "grading is not essential to learning" and I agree that there needs to be some sort of grade that comes out of an evaluation that tells the student what they need to work on and what their strong points are.","dateCreated":"1303306103","smartDate":"Apr 20, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"admiller2","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/admiller2","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"37946050","body":"Amanda I agree with you, sometimes it becomes hard for a teacher to become a fair grader. Specially because we happen to know the students,and also when we compare the answers to other students the answers seem to be close to the right answer. But it would not be fair to mark the answer right because it wouldn't be fair for the other student.","dateCreated":"1303317379","smartDate":"Apr 20, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"Ebbybaby","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Ebbybaby","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"37946444","body":"Amanda
\nI agree with you that grading is subjective and emotional. Sometimes it is hard to draw the line. The student could be a good student who usually understands everything but makes one bad grade. its hard to decide if that bad grade is because the student doesnt try or if there was a misunderstanding and they actually tried.","dateCreated":"1303317729","smartDate":"Apr 20, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"HalaSiddiqui","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/HalaSiddiqui","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"37751126","dateCreated":"1302891892","smartDate":"Apr 15, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"crystalgremillion","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/crystalgremillion","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/klam-emeralds.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/37751126"},"dateDigested":1532763043,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Guskey","description":"Explain the difference between "teachers teaching to the test" and "testing what teachers teach".","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"37814638","body":"teaching to the test refers to teachers testing students on the material they will probably encounter on state assessments. Teaching to the test also more specifically means teaching students so they will do well on the state assessments. The test determines what the teacher teaches and how the teacher teaches. On the other hand, testing what teachers teach refers to testing on material that the teacher taught. The teaching determines the test.","dateCreated":"1303098857","smartDate":"Apr 17, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"HalaSiddiqui","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/HalaSiddiqui","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"37816328","body":"Teaching to a test (specifically in math or science) means students are taught methods to find answers. They are given nearly identical practice problems that do not require any deep thought, simply "plug and chug." In a nutshell, the test dictates the material taught.
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\nTesting what teachers teach is a type of assessment particular to a given class. Students are likely to be familiar with the testing format because they have seen it repeatedly throughout their lessons. Furthermore, partial credit exists on these tests. The teacher determines the material on the test.
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\nI experienced teaching a test first hand after working with a small group of inner city high school students. They were asked to find the volume of a cone (1\/3Bh, B=pi*r^2). They could quickly, correctly, and easily plug that formula into their calculator. However, when I asked them to simply leave pi in the expression and multiply by 3.14 at the end, they were clueless. They were taught how to mechanically retrieve answers rather than solve a problem. What a shame?","dateCreated":"1303106311","smartDate":"Apr 17, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"Caseyb.crittenden","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Caseyb.crittenden","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1296425910\/Caseyb.crittenden-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"37818872","body":"Teaching to the test means, teachers basically teach them what they will be tested on and how they expect the students to reply. Later the students will be tested with similar questions.
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\nTesting on the concepts or skills that were taught rather than testing on a problem that was taught is called testing what teacher teaches.","dateCreated":"1303121159","smartDate":"Apr 18, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"Ebbybaby","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Ebbybaby","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"37823124","body":"Teachers teaching to the test happens when they have the test in their minds when deciding what concepts to cover. They will generally rely on teaching only what is on the test and nothin else becasue those are the only points being assessed. The teacher doesn't worry about going deep into the parts of a certian subject, even if it is important, if those points aren't going to be tested.
\nTesting what teachers teach is more of what should happen in classrooms. Teachers will only test material that was important enough to cover during the class time. There is little justification to test something that wasn't even covered in class, and the students shouldn't be exected to do this.","dateCreated":"1303133238","smartDate":"Apr 18, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"admiller2","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/admiller2","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"37915312","body":"Hala,
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\nI feel that teaching to a test underlies more than teaching what "might" be on an assessment. I believe that students not only miss out on important material, they are taught how to get answers. They are taught to have a one track mind when taking tests, and not think much about the answer they come up with. I bet there are many students out there who only solve for answers and don't think about what the answer implies (like speed of a bullet exiting a gun being close to the speed of light).","dateCreated":"1303261170","smartDate":"Apr 19, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"Caseyb.crittenden","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Caseyb.crittenden","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1296425910\/Caseyb.crittenden-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"37932434","body":"Casey,
\nI agree with what your saying, I also feel like when a teacher teaches to the test, that the students are missing out on the full learning experience. I feel like these students are as prepared for future problems when they are being taught like this.","dateCreated":"1303305856","smartDate":"Apr 20, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"admiller2","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/admiller2","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"37946384","body":"Casey i agree with your comment too. Teaching the students only what would be on a test is like spoon feeding the student to score well on the test. the students basically memorize what they need for the test. They don't learn anything.","dateCreated":"1303317661","smartDate":"Apr 20, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"Ebbybaby","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Ebbybaby","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"37946696","body":"Casey,
\nI agree with your comment, even I have experienced such things. Many times in a chemistry class, students could mathematically solve the problem but could explain the chemical process.","dateCreated":"1303317900","smartDate":"Apr 20, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"HalaSiddiqui","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/HalaSiddiqui","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]}],"more":false},"comments":[]},"http":{"code":200,"status":"OK"},"redirectUrl":null,"javascript":null,"notices":{"warning":[],"error":[],"info":[],"success":[]}}